Thursday, August 31, 2006

Ziua Limbii

Exactly one year ago, I decided to celebrate Moldova's Language Day by speaking only Moldovan (or Romanian, depending on what you want to call it). When volunteers called me or sent me text messages, I answered only in Moldovan. This was problematic when the two Russian speakers from our group tried to contact me, but I was convinced that it was their fault for not learning the official state language, enshrined in law on August 31, 1989.

This morning, the first word I said was "Привет". This was intentional. My opinion about Moldova's language issue has changed a lot in the past year, mostly because of my experiences and discussions, but also because I now better understand the politics of language in Moldova.

With the exception of the inter-war period of 1918-1940, Bessarabia (basically current Moldova without Transnistria) had been controlled by the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union since 1812. By the time 1989 came, Russians had been a major ethnic and political influence in Bessarabia for 177 years.

Russians were also not the only non-Moldovan ethnicity in Bessarabia in the 19th century. According to Charles King in his illuminating book, The Moldovans, Bessarabia in 1897 was only 47.6 percent Moldovan, while Ukrainians, Jews, Russians, Bulgarians, Germans, Turks, Poles, Armenians, Turks and others comprised a plurality of the population. Moldovan was not the predominant language in cities, and the majority of newspapers were published in Russian because that's the language that readers wanted.

In 1918, Moldova's Sfatul Tarii hastily voted to unite with the rest of Romania. Minorities in this new combined nation were not well treated, especially the Jews who were slaughtered in the Holocaust. This was also the first time that Moldovans began to read and write their language in the Latin alphabet, echoing Romania's 19th-century change from the Cyrillic alphabet. Meanwhile in Transnistria, which had become a large part of the Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Soviet language reformers were trying to create Moldovan grammar texts and words that would differentiate the dialects of Romanian and Moldovan into two separate languages.

In 1941, the newly formed Moldovan Soviet Socialist Republic, which encompassed the territory now known as the Republic of Moldova, was 68.8 percent Moldovan, 11.1 percent Ukrainian, 7.5 percent Bulgarian, 6.7 percent Russian and 4.9 percent Gagauz. Thus over 30 percent of the population would not necessarily be expected to speak the Moldovan language. Because nearly a third of the population new Russian better than Moldovan and because the MSSR was only one republic that needed to communicate with other Soviet states, Russian was declared the state language.

When discussing politics, this is the point where Romanian language nationalists tend to become upset. When you went to the store in the MSSR, you spoke in Russian. When you filed paperwork, it was in Russian. When you went to university, you studied in Russian. Two academics who studied French at Moldova's largest university have told me about times when they made an entire presentation in French and then were told to repeat it in Russian. Moldovan was not the esteemed language, and Russian speakers were often unwilling to stoop to what they called "the peasant language".

The most important thing about this time is that while ethnic Moldovans clung nearly unflinchingly to their language, other ethnicities began to use Russian. In 1989, 36.7 percent of ethnic Ukrainians in the MSSR spoke Russian as their native language, as opposed to 61.6 percent who kept Ukrainian, according to a Soviet census cited by King. Of those who continued to speak Ukrainian, 43.0 percent of them spoke fluent Russian, as opposed to only 12.8 percent who spoke fluent Moldovan.

Of ethnic Gagauz, who lived mostly in the south, 7.4 percent spoke Russian as their native language and 72.8 percent spoke it fluently; only 4.4 percent spoke fluent Moldovan. Over two-thirds of Jews in the MSSR spoke Russian as their first language.

Russian became not only the language of power, government work and commerce. It also became the language of Moldova's many ethnic minorities. These minorities were not accounted for by politicians in 1989.

After nearly a year of public debate, the MSSR Supreme Soviet on August 31, 1989 declared Moldovan as the official state language. This was mainly the work of nationalists and academics, and they immediately began talk of leaving the weakened USSR and re-uniting with Romania after nearly 50 years apart.

This talk was not only hasty, but it caused the ethnic minorities, nearly one-third of the MSSR's population, to worry. They were suddenly told that they spoke the wrong language, and many of them did not expect good treatment as minorities if unification with Romania were to happen. This led to the secession of Gagauzia and Transnistria.

In my opinion, ethnic Moldovans took the politics of language too far in the early '90s when they declared the national anthem to be "Limba Noastra," meaning "Our Language". This sent a message to Russian speakers that they were no longer included in the "we" of the Moldovan people?

Although the politics of language no longer creates large-scale demonstrations like in the late '80s and early '90s, there is still tension between Moldovan-speakers and Russian-speakers. On this blog I often write about times when I am frustrated with someone who only speaks Russian, and I've only lived here for a year. Because it is Language Day in Moldova, I want to list some observations about and suggestions for easing the language problem in this country.


  • It is very easy for foreigners coming to Moldova to look at language in this country as a straightforward timeline: Russian was the dominant language in the Soviet era, both Russian and Moldovan are prevalent now, and some time in the future the entire country will speak Moldovan. But a significant minority in Moldova never considered Moldovan to be their language and entire ethnic groups, namely Ukrainians and Gagauz, have embraced Russian and see no need to learn Moldovan. This simplistic view is unrealistic.

  • Moldova is a linguistically diverse country in which citizens need to know both Moldovan and Russian in order to get by. Native Russian speakers do not need to master Moldovan, nor do Moldovans need to master Russian. Moldovans don't need to have perfect Russian grammar, and Russians don't need to be able to describe their feelings or talk about abstract concepts in Moldovan. But every citizen should know how to buy food, get and give directions and otherwise be able to navigate life on a basic level in both languages. Moldovan-speaking restaurant workers who don't know the menu items in Russian are ignorant and ill-equipped for their job, just the same as a Russian-speaking shopkeeper who has to show a Moldovan-speaking customer the number 42 on a calculator because she doesn't know enough Moldovan to say how much his beer and water cost.

  • Having the Moldovan national anthem only in the Moldovan language is offensive to Russian-speaking minorities. It should be recognized as a knee-jerk post-Soviet reaction against Russian language imperialism and retired as the national anthem. Moldova should look to the example of Canada, whose national anthem can be sung in either English or French.

  • The Russian language should be recognized in some way in the Moldovan constitution. How, I don't know. But the fact that so many people speak it as their first language and the language isn't recognized in the constitution makes little sense.

  • Currently, all signs in Moldova must be written in Moldovan. After they are written in Moldovan, writing the same message in Russian is optional. Looking again at Canada and Quebec, Moldova should make Russian signs mandatory in some situations, perhaps in raions and cities where at least 30 percent of the population prefers Russian over Moldovan.

  • Settling some of these minority issues will help Moldova feel more cohesive and will remove a major objection that Transnistrian separatists currently have with the Chisinau government.



I don't have all the answers on this subject, but neither does anyone else. Language in the territory of modern Moldova has always been a major question and it has made it difficult to form a single national identity. August 31, 1989 was an important day for Moldova because it was one of the first times when the Supreme Soviet acted as a legislative body instead of simply rubber-stamping whatever Moscow said, according to King. It was also important because it gave the Moldovan majority a cultural win that it had been waiting for for decades. The cultural pendulum had been so far to the Russian side, but over the course of several months it swung to the Moldovan side. But it is important for Moldova to ask itself, "Did we go too far?" Moderate Moldovans need to examine the language question and push the pendulum back toward the center.

17 Comments:

At 6:47 AM, Anonymous Mihai Moscovici said...

Good point about national anthem in Russian :) How about making the USA national anthem in Spanish, since there are so many Spanish speakers.

 
At 4:18 PM, Blogger Peter Myers said...

Mihai-

The national anthem in Spanish is a topic that has heated up a little since I left America, but I don't think language is a major issue in America. Spanish-speaking immigrants do not expect other Americans to learn Spanish, but rather Spanish-speakers realize that if they want high-level jobs, they need to learn English. It's an interesting topic, but I'm going to whiff on it because I honestlyl don't think the average American cares much about it.

 
At 5:19 PM, Blogger Lucia said...

Peter,

Good article. All I want to say is that your recommendations for our government are COSTLY.

Firstly, bilingualism is expensive. Maybe this is why rich countries can afford it. However, Moldova can not afford it (although I see the current government is already spending resources on this). Secondly, this will not be sustainable. You said that one day everyone will speak Romania. As I said in my article, this is very unlikely to happen because there is very little incentive to learn this language.

 
At 11:00 PM, Blogger Peter Myers said...

Lucia-

To clarify, I don't believe that everyone will speak Romanian in this country. This was a na?ve belief I had had when I first arrived in 2005.

 
At 1:49 AM, Anonymous Mihai said...

Like you said in your article, the topic of the language is very sensitive in Moldova and probably will not change it's status soon.
Kids that grow up in this new generation, especially in villages, do not speak Russian. This makes me to believe that the language dispute will occure in a more serious problem in future.
Language in Moldova is always a topic of concern!

 
At 9:02 PM, Blogger Peter Myers said...

Lucia-
I am going to stretch out a theoretical argument. If Moldova allows a "special place" for the Russian language, that removes the Kremlin's most important publicly stated reason for backing Smirnov's government in Transnistria. Reincorporating Transnistria into the country's economic system would significantly boost industry and make Moldova a more stable (and therefore smiled-upon) neighbor of the EU.

It is important to think of the lost opportunity costs of NOT officially accepting the place that Russian already has in Moldova. Moldova cannot afford to not resolve this problem.

 
At 11:30 PM, Anonymous Ionas Aurelian Rus said...

Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 02:06:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Ionas Aurelian Rus ionasrus@rci.rutgers.edu
To: sec_osce@osce.un.md, secretary@osce.md
Cc: ionasrus@rci.rutgers.edu
Subject: Planned Linguistic Policies and Human Rights Violations in
Moldova



The Honorable Ambassador David H. Swartz,
Sfatul Tarii str. 16
2012, Chisinau
Moldova




Dear Sir,


My name is Ionas Aurelian Rus. I am a graduate student (ABD) in the Department of Political Science at Rutgers, New Brunswick (see http://polisci.rutgers.edu/info/gradprog/gradstus.html ). I am also the President of the European Studies Graduate Student Association (ESGSA) (see http://crcees.rutgers.edu/conf2001/ and http://GSA/groups.html ). This is apparently the only organization of its kind in the country whose citizens both of us are, the United States.
I would like to take this opportunity to express my concern and disapproval concerning the recent attempts by the Communist-controlled government and the Communist-dominated legislature to change the policy on the public use of languages in the Republic of Moldova. Moreover, there is a need to intervene in order to minimize the danger of gross violations of the freedom of assembly and association in Moldova. I shall elaborate on all of these issues below.
According to the mission statement of the OSCE mission in Moldova ( http://www.osce.org/moldova/mandate/ ), it is the responsibility of your mission to "investigate specific incidents and assess their political implications ... provide advice and expertise on human and minority rights, democratic transformation", etc. I believe that the OSCE Mission in Moldova has the right, and indeed the duty, to express its concerns to the Moldovan government and to recommend a return to status quo ante.
I am sure that you are aware that a recent decision of the Minister of Education of the Republic of Moldova, Mr. Ilie Vancea, has been hotly contested. The minister had decided to make the study of the Russian language mandatory (between the second and the tenth grade) in schools where the main language of instruction is not Russian. This provision applies overwhelmingly to Romanian language schools. This decision is unconstitutional, and it violates the Law of Education of 1995.
Another hotly contested measure is the submission to the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Moldova by the Communist members of the legislature, under the leadership of Victor Stepaniuc (Stepaniuk) of the text of a proposed amendment to the constitution of the Republic of Moldova. According to this proposed amendment, Russian
would become the second official language of the Republic of Moldova.
Both of these positions are unpopular in the country as a whole. According to an opinion poll conducted in November 2001, both of these measures are disapproved by 58% of the population. The former is supported by only 35%, and the latter by 33% (see http://www.ipp.md/publications/prezentare/en.html in English, and, for more details, the link "Barometer of Public Opinion 2001 – Final report.ppt (1543 Kb)" at the same website, p. 68-71, in Romanian). According to another opinion poll conducted earlier in the year, the percentage of individuals who were in favor of an official status for the Russian language was 38%. This number includes 26.3% among ethnic Moldovans/Romanians (see
http://www.ist.md/index.asp?doc=1_3&doctree=1_3_7_2_4 ), as opposed to
19% in November.
This apparent decrease in Moldovan/Romanian support for the policy might be a sign of increasing ethnic polarization on this issue and in general. An even better example is the increase in the proportion of the members of the ethnic minorities, and particularly of the Russian-speaking inhabitants, whose views are moving in the other direction. The proportion of inhabitants who believe that Russian should become a second official language has increased from 52.7% to 71% among ethnic Russians.
The increasing polarization on the linguistic issue over time (which is further documented below) has been caused by the propaganda of left-wing political forces. In 1994, this was done primarily by the Socialist Party and "Unitate-Edinstvo" Movement Bloc, which obtained 22% of the votes in the national elections. Between 1995 and 2002, the group that has been mainly responsible for this has been the Party of Communists in the Republic of Moldova. The electoral performance of this political group has improved from 15.74% of the vote in the local elections of 1995 to 50.07% of the vote in the national elections in 2001, that is, 33.40% of the individuals with the right to vote (see http://www.ifes.md/elections/electionresults). These groups, as well as a few parties that obtained very few votes, have promised to give Russian the status of an official language. Yet this topic has moved increasingly toward the back of the Communist programmes, and has been de-emphasized, as the Communists have increasingly obtained support from individuals who do not favor this position.
Moreover, the support for the new proposed Communist linguistic policies has been in some ways "soft". The proportion of the Romanian population that has been against mandatory education in Russian for Moldovans has not changed substantially (74% in 1992 and 69% in November 2001). By contrast, the proportion of the members of the Ukrainian minority that favor this has increased dramatically. Whereas only 19.5% of the ethnic Ukrainians believed that everyone should be taught Russian in 1992, the proportion in 2001 was 53% (the questions were not fully identical). Among ethnic Russians, the percentage has increased from 20.1% to 65%.
Of course, when different, but related, questions were asked in 1992, the proportions were different, which indicates the existence of certain complexities and ambiguities. The affirmative response to the question "Romanian Language should be required for minorities" was 80% among Moldovans, 43.2% among Ukrainians and 50.3% among Russians. In the case of the question, "Each group should be required to learn only its own language", the proportions were 13.1% among Moldovans, 37.4% among Ukrainians and 27.2% among Russians. It would be false to claim that a majority of the members of the national minorities disapproved of the linguistic policies of the Moldovan government in 1992.
The bottom line is that the uncompromising attitude of the non-Romanian population has not been a constant since 1989-1991. Instead, it has increased because it has been fostered by the various political forces that have been mentioned above for both ideological and electoral reasons. I do not believe that this kind of politics should be rewarded through by overruling a clear majority that approves the status quo rather than the plans of the Communists.
For the results of the very informative and methodologically sound 1992 survey conducted by Professor William Crowther of the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, whose data I have used above, one should consult his various published scholarly articles and manuscripts. The data presented above is from William Crowther, "Nationalism and Political Transformation in Moldova", in Donald L. Dyer (ed.), STUDIES IN MOLDOVAN: THE HISTORY, CULTURE, LANGUAGE AND CONTEMPORARY POLITICS OF THE PEOPLE OF MOLDOVA, (East European Monographs, Boulder, 1996).
What explains the relative softness and lack of consistency of the opinions of the members of the national minorities. First of all, Russian is a quasi-official language according to the constitution and various statutes, a language of interethnic communication, a kind of associate official language. Moreover, until now, Russian has been mandatory in the predominantly non-Russian language schools between the grades five and nine, for five years. This is the same number of years in which the English-speaking inhabitants of Anglophone Ontario, a province of officially bilingual Canada, study French.
Among ethnic Moldovans/Romanians, who represent more than 70% of the population in the areas controlled by the Chisinau government, the support for the status quo has been constant in surveys (see above), and has manifested itself through massive protests. At any rate, the supporters of the efforts to make and keep Romanian as the sole official language have included a large number of committed individuals. An estimated one million individuals assembled in Chisinau participated in a rally in late August 1989 in favor of making Romanian the official language in the republic. Thousands of individuals have participated in street demonstrations and rallies since January 9, 2002 against the changes pushed by the Communists.
By Thursday, January 17, 1:47 AM EST, over 26,000 plus 5,517 individuals have signed the text of two petitions, a regular and an inline one, against these policies. The former has been sponsored primarily by the Christian Democratic People's Party. The latter has been organized by the Civic Attitude Group ( see http://www.yam.ro/protest/ ). The author of these lines has signed the latter.
The complete lack of street demonstrations in favor of making Russian a second official language since 1990 is interesting. It is another indication of the fact that the supporters of this position are less likely to be committed to it than the supporters of the Romanian language. Of course, this is not to minimize the fact that an overwhelming majority of these individuals have voted for the Communists since 1998. They have done so due to their nostalgia for Soviet times, including, but not primarily focusing on, an affinity for the status of Russian as the dominant official language during the period before the emergence of Moldovan/Romanian as the official language in 1989.
Of course, this has been the pattern outside of the secessionist areas of the country. I am referring to Transnistria, the self-styled Dniester Moldovan Republic, the secessionist area in the eastern part of the country, and, during the early 1990's, to Gagauz-Yeri. One of the factors that has led to the secessionist movements was the change in the primary/dominant official language from Russian to Romanian, but this was not the main factor.
In both 1989 and 2002, the opponents of the Romanophone demonstrators have not been counter-demonstrators but rather the state apparatus. During the past few days, two of those who were spreading leaflets for the rally in Chisinau were arrested. Another one of them, a parliamentary deputy from the opposition Christian Democratic People's Party was threatened with a gun by a policeman. The demonstrators have been threatened with punishment for violations on technicalities such as demonstrating outside the area for which they had obtained the permit to rally. Even more ominously, Justice Minister Ion Morei has threatened on January 15 to outlaw (suspend) the Christian Democratic People's Party because its deputies have engaged in these kinds of violations.
The use of these techniques in favor of these goals do not augur well for democracy in Moldova, or for interethnic relations in the country. It needs to be pointed out that whereas 35-38% of the population favors the use of Russian as a second language, and 24.3% of the population supports the status quo. There are also the others, a group equal in number to those holding the first position. They who do not believe in any kind of a special status for the Russian language. A
swing in one direction right now may very well be followed by a swing, past the mid-point, in the opposite direction.
It should be noted that the leadership of the Party of Communists of the Republic of Moldova, including the current president of the country, Vladimir Voronin, had promised earlier in the year that the issue would be determined through a referendum. It has subsequently gone back on its promise.
Ideally, the OSCE Mission, the Council of Europe, and various foreign governments and organizations should intercede with the Moldovan government to change its plans on the linguistic issue. The above-mentioned order of the Minister of Education should be cancelled. These third parties should also demand or request that the issue of whether Russian should become a second official language should be decided through a referendum. Moreover, the maintenance of Moldovan democracy, including the freedom of assembly and the freedom of association, including the right of the Christian Democratic People's Party to function, should be upheld. All of us have the right and the duty to push for all of these.

Sincerely,

Ionas Aurelian Rus
Political Science Department
Rutgers University
89 George Street, Hickman Hall
New Brunswick, New Jersey, 08901
ionasrus@rci.rutgers.edu

 
At 11:43 PM, Anonymous Ionas Aurelian Rus said...

By the way, my preferred e-mail address is aurelianrus459@yahoo.com ; my university e-mails are full. The reason why I posted this memorandum in here is because in his stimulating and stylistically well-written post, Peter Myers has not taken into account public opinion polls and some other factors that he should have. As a naturalized U.S. citizen of Romanian ethnicity, I could also say without the fear of being wrong that the views expressed eloquently, but without sufficient sensitivity toward the prevailing view in Moldova, by Peter Myers, are not popular among Romanian-Americans, regardless of whether they hail from Romania or Moldova, or among those American citizens, overwhelmingly of non-Romanian ethnicity, who have published articles on Moldova in scholarly journals. I would have rather wished not to have to write in this blog, but a friend of mine from Moldova asked me whether this view, with which he disagrees, is typical of Peace Corps volunteers. Even though I know several former Peace Corps volunteers, all of whom do not share Mr. Peter Myers' views, I also believe that he is in a better position to answer this question. My comments are not intended in any way as a personal criticism, and we should all applaud Mr. Myers for participating in the Peace Corps, and for trying to improve the situation in Moldova. I am simply suggesting that he could also benefit from consulting the relevant literature on the topic, and that he should not be criticized too harshly, but engaged in open and meaningful dialogue.

All the best,

Ionas Aurelian Rus

 
At 7:10 PM, Blogger Peter Myers said...

Mr. Rus-

Before you say I haven't consulted the relevant literature, I should tell you that I've read Charles King's The Moldovans, which is the best English-language history of Bessarabia and Transnistria. I have also lived her for a year and have talked to many Moldovans about this issue. This doesn't make me an expert, but it does make me qualified enough to share my experiences and opinions. Even this post has allowed me to further explore ideas and be challenged by Moldovan bloggers.

The proposal of Ilie Vancea, as far as I know, has not been hotly contested. I don't know of a single Moldovan school in which Russian is not already taught beginning in 5th grade. Russian is an important regional language, but even requiring Russian study from second through 10th grade would not equal the emphasis placed on European foreign languages. Currently a non-Russian foreign language (usually English, French or German) is required for every student from second through 12th grade (assuming a student doesn't leave after ninth grade, and students leaving school after ninth grade aren't usually the ones who excelled at European foreign languages). It is important to note that sewing, wood shop and physical education classes are all taught more per week than Russian; Russian language education is only two hours a week, which hardly qualifies it as a hot-button issue.

In your "Barometer of Public Opinion" reference, you cite data from 2001. You have no more recent information on "The mood of Moldovans" than almost five years ago. In 2002, Pan Romanian-leaning academics protested throughout the year, so your data from 2001 came from what was possibly an extraordinarily high point of tension.

When you say, "The proportion of the Romanian population that has been against mandatory education in Russian for Moldovans has not changed substantially," what do you mean by Romanian? Do you mean people who identified themselves as either Romanian or Moldovan, or only people who identified themselves as Romanian? Obviously, the people who call themselves "Romanian" instead of "Moldovan" are much more anti-Russian than those who consider themselves "Moldovan".

You say, "It would be false to claim that a majority of the members of the national minorities disapproved of the linguistic policies of the Moldovan government in 1992." These language policies did, however, alienate Transnistria and Gagauzia, throwing Moldova into a civil war, one front of which has yet to be fully resolved. Maybe a majority of minority populations didn't disapprove of learning another language than their own, but the government's promise of "language raids" in order to ensure that government officials knew Romanian led to two separatist movements and bitter inter-ethnic politics.

You make some good points about possible corruption among the police and the Party of Communists against the Christian Democratic People's Party (the former Popular Front, which pushed for unification with Romania in the early 1990s). However, nearly anyone is subject to government and police corruption in Moldova, and if the Communists are in fact acting illegally against the CDPP, it is for many political reasons, not just language.

The main issue I take with your proposal, Mr. Rus, is that you're fighting a battle that isn't worth fighting at the moment. As a teacher, I am qualified to say that the Ministry of Education has much more important reforms to deal with than the number of years Russian is taught, especially in terms of corruption and cheating that pervades Moldovan culture as early as first grade.

In my fairly typical ethnic Moldovan village in a mostly ethnic Moldovan raion (s. Mereseni, r. Hincesti), I have never heard a complaint among students or teachers that they study Russian. Teachers usually complain that the kids can understand Russian on the TV, but they can't write properly in the Cyrillic alphabet like students did before perestroika. Among students, there is an interesting gender split, with boys tending to like Russian more and girls gravitating toward English, but students study both. I sense that Moldovan villagers consider Russian a vital language for current and future life in Moldova, whereas they consider English an important language for businesspeople and those wanting to find legal and well-paying work in Europe.

As I wrote out a response to you, I asked the three people who were in my house at the time: my host sister, Diana, a 19-year-old university student; our neighbor, Irina, a 9th-grade student at the local school; and my host mother, Maria, who is 53 and has lived in this raion her entire life. I asked them if they thought Russian should be taught in schools. Diana replied, "Why not? A person develops more mental capacity if he knows more languages, whether it's Russian or English or anything else." Irina agreed with Diana. Maria said that Russian should be taught "because we have a lot of Russians in Moldova, and you have to be able to understand them. If they ask you something, you need to be able to answer, and the other way around." I realize that this is not a scientific survey, but it's indicative of what I've heard in my time living in this country.

Your data saying that Moldovans are against mandatory education in Russian might be accurate (although I must repeat, your data points of 1992 and 2001 were taken at very linguistically tense times in Moldova and therefore might be far above the results you'd notice at a calmer time like now). But I don't know that I've ever met a Moldovan who told me he or she was against learning Russian as a second language. Many are against having to speak Russian at a store, but that doesn't extend to not wanting to study it as a language. Just what do you mean by "mandatory education in Russian," anyway? If you actually mean having Moldovans be forced into schools where all subjects are taught in Russian instead of Romanian-speaking schools, then you are grossly misrepresenting statistical results.

In my 15 months of living in Moldova, I have never heard of learning Russian as a second language as a major cultural or political issue. When were you last in Moldova, Mr. Rus? You say that you are now an American citizen and you are originally from Romania, but what contact have you had with the multi-ethnic people of Bessarabia? I don't want this to sound hostile, but it's an important question.

I and hundreds of other Peace Corps volunteers have lived in Bessarabia over the past 13 years. I have very rarely heard a volunteer complain about the fact that Moldovans are learning Russian as a second language. I have had positive experiences with many Moldovans who prefer speaking Russian rather than Romanian, and because of those experiences, my opinion has moved toward the center. I think that any Moldovan who knows only one of the two dominant languages in his or her country is a fool who is both diminishing his or her own career possibilities and being culturally insensitive to other citizens. If Romanian-speaking students don't learn Russian as a second language in schools, where will they ever learn it?

Your writing belies a desire to get rid of Russian influence in Moldova, and while I would welcome a Moldova without Putin's influence, I also realize that this is impossible for the time being. Both Vladimir Voronin's Party of Communists and Iurie Rosca's CDPP are committed toward the west, the European Union, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Moldova is trying to move past its dependency on Russia for economic reasons, while at the same time it is trying to balance the rights of Romanian and Russian speakers inside its own borders. The OSCE is not needed in the current Russian/Romanian political discussion, as linguistic middle ground will only be found after the pendulum swings back and forth between Russian and Romanian a few more times.

 
At 1:24 AM, Anonymous Ionas Aurelian Rus said...

Ionas: Before writing the comments below, after my signature, which appear after “Ionas:”, I wish to note that your arguments would have been great if you would have argued against some arguments that are definitely in my “half of the spectrum”, but toward the radical end, perhaps like those of some people whom you might have met. However, my arguments are much more moderate and mainstream, and consistent with the current Moldovan legislation and the resolution on Moldova of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe of April 24, 2002. It might very well be that I was somewhat insensitive through the brevity of my first answer, for which I apologize, but my memorandum was long enough, and I had to look for it hard so that I could place it on your blog. I had to look through old e-mail accounts, because I have not had it as a file after a computer crash in late December. I should also note that if I would not have intervened, you probably would have been attacked in a very harsh manner by someone else who was beaten up by Russian-speakers in 1992 for speaking Romanian on the territory of Moldova controlled by the Chisinau government. I answered so that you would not get an answer full of accusations that would have discouraged you and dampened your idealism. This has taken me long enough, so I will not check what I wrote.
All the best,
Ionas
Mr. Rus-

Before you say I haven't consulted the relevant literature, I should tell you that I've read Charles King's The Moldovans, which is the best English-language history of Bessarabia and Transnistria.

Ionas: I have met Charles King several times, and I have talked to him extensively. He even picked up a copy of one of my papers dealing with Moldova at a conference. I believe that he thinks that the present official public policies on the Moldovan/Romanian-Russian language use issue are within the reasonable range, and so do I, but I believe that you are favoring a greater role for the Russian language than either of us. You should also note that he also cited William Crowther’s set of polling data that I have also cited.

I have also lived her for a year and have talked to many Moldovans about this issue.

Ionas: I can assure you that both when I was in (the Republic of )Moldova and during almost ten years of my life when I lived in Iasi, Romania, I watched more television broadcast from the teritory of Moldova, often in Russian, than some of the other observers of the Moldovan situation from outside Moldova.

This doesn't make me an expert, but it does make me qualified enough to share my experiences and opinions.

Ionas: I fully agree.
Even this post has allowed me to further explore ideas and be challenged by Moldovan bloggers.

The proposal of Ilie Vancea, as far as I know, has not been hotly contested.

Ionas: It provoked massive demonstrations throughout the early part of 2002.

I don't know of a single Moldovan school in which Russian is not already taught beginning in 5th grade.

Ionas: It is mandatory from the fifth through the ninth grade, it was so before the Party of Communists of the Republic of Moldova came to power, and it should be so for the foreseeable future. In my memorandum, I wrote “Moreover, until now, Russian has been mandatory in the predominantly non-Russian language schools between the grades five and nine, for five years. This is the same number of years in which the English-speaking inhabitants of Anglophone Ontario, a province of officially bilingual Canada, study French. Among ethnic Moldovans/Romanians, who represent more than 70% of the population in the areas controlled by the Chisinau government, the support for the status quo has been constant in surveys (see above), and has manifested itself through massive protests.” I did not argue in favor of the view that you claim is my view.

Russian is an important regional language, but even requiring Russian study from second through 10th grade would not equal the emphasis placed on European foreign languages.

Ionas: I believe that it was supposed to be taught from the second through the eleventh grade. This provoked massive demonstrations, and the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe demanded a moratorium on linguistic policy, a return to the situation in mid-2001, before the Communists decreed the change that sparked off the protests. The various monitoring reports of the Council of Europe on minority rights criticized the fact that the rights of the Russian-language were so much higher than those of the other minority languages.

Currently a non-Russian foreign language (usually English, French or German) is required for every student from second through 12th grade (assuming a student doesn't leave after ninth grade, and students leaving school after ninth grade aren't usually the ones who excelled at European foreign languages). It is important to note that sewing, wood shop and physical education classes are all taught more per week than Russian; Russian language education is only two hours a week, which hardly qualifies it as a hot-button issue.

Ionas: You should clearly distinguish between the status quo, which is acceptable to me, and what the Communists tried to do a few years ago, which is something different, and what you are trying to do, which is again something different, and in a direction that goes against the resolution on Moldova of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe of April 24, 2002.

In your "Barometer of Public Opinion" reference, you cite data from 2001. You have no more recent information on "The mood of Moldovans" than almost five years ago.

Ionas: I do, and I have even cited such polls in papers that I have presented at conferences. You can see it in the Ethnobarometer data from December 2004 that appears on the website of the Institute of Public Policies ( www.ipp.md ), and the proportion of the population that desires only Moldovan/Romanian as an official language is about the same as at the end of 2001. Of course, you will need to calculate it on the basis of the results for all the ethnic groups.

In 2002, Pan Romanian-leaning academics protested throughout the year, so your data from 2001 came from what was possibly an extraordinarily high point of tension.

Ionas: The data is from before the massive protests of 2002, most of whose participants were not "academics". In the April 2002 IPP poll, during the protests, almost 2/3 of the population, including majorities of most minority ethnic groups, were opposed to the extended mandatory teaching of the Russian language. The December 2004 data is more consistent with the 2001 poll. In high points of tension, public opinion moves exactly in the opposite direction than the one desired/suggested by you.

When you say, "The proportion of the Romanian population that has been against mandatory education in Russian for Moldovans has not changed substantially," what do you mean by Romanian?

Ionas: I meant the Moldovan/Romanian population, including both the majority with a “Moldovan” ethnic identity and the minority with a “Romanian” one, and those with both. The polling data cited in my memorandum supports my contentions, as does the December 2004 “Etnobarometru” data.

Do you mean people who identified themselves as either Romanian or Moldovan, or only people who identified themselves as Romanian? Obviously, the people who call themselves "Romanian" instead of "Moldovan" are much more anti-Russian than those who consider themselves "Moldovan".

Ionas: In the 1992 poll, they were more likely to cross a certain threshold of anti-Russianism, but the present-day situation might be different. If you want to be acquainted with to the arguments of opponents of the officialization of Russian, etc., who say that they are ethnic Moldovans, not ethnic Romanians, read "Saptamana". On the other hand, my sense is that the self-styled Moldovans who are anti-Russian (e.g., the rector of Moldova State University, Gheorghe Rusnac) are opposition voters. The Communist voters are less likely to be anti-Russian than the opposition voters, but more likely to be anti-Semitic than the average voter.

You say, "It would be false to claim that a majority of the members of the national minorities disapproved of the linguistic policies of the Moldovan government in 1992." These language policies did, however, alienate Transnistria and Gagauzia, throwing Moldova into a civil war, one front of which has yet to be fully resolved.

Ionas: I was referring to the minority inhabitants outside the Transnistrian secessionist area. These linguistic policies were a cause of the civil war, but not the only one. I believe that Gagauzia should have three official language, Moldovan/Romanian, Gagauz and Russia, and Transnistria also three, Moldovan/Romanian, Russian and Gagauz. So I agree with the current Moldovan legislation of this.

Maybe a majority of minority populations didn't disapprove of learning another language than their own, but the government's promise of "language raids" in order to ensure that government officials knew Romanian led to two separatist movements and bitter inter-ethnic politics.

Ionas: I had mixed feelings about the manner of the enforcement of the language laws (too much, too soon), but the choice was between the pre-August 31, 1989 status quo and the language laws of that time. The Romanian-American press was not a great source of information in 1989, and I was only 16.

You make some good points about possible corruption among the police and the Party of Communists against the Christian Democratic People's Party (the former Popular Front, which pushed for unification with Romania in the early 1990s). However, nearly anyone is subject to government and police corruption in Moldova, and if the Communists are in fact acting illegally against the CDPP, it is for many political reasons, not just language.
Ionas: I was complaining about the threatened suspension of the Christian Democrats before it actually occurred a few days later, not about corruption (which does exist, of course). I wrote the memorandum in January 2002. As for the old Moldovan Popular Front, I would have to say that most of its members and leaders have left it a long time ago. I am not exactly the fan of the idea of giving the Christian Democrats a chance to claim the mantle of the old Popular Front.

The main issue I take with your proposal, Mr. Rus, is that you're fighting a battle that isn't worth fighting at the moment.

Ionas: I am claiming that the current legal linguistic arrangements are reasonable (but I oppose the violations of the law in favor of the Russian language, or any other language), and you are suggesting that they should be changed. I am on the side of the resolution of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe of April 24, 2002, but you are not. Disobeying APCE resolutions would not help Moldova’s prospects to join the EU.

As a teacher, I am qualified to say that the Ministry of Education has much more important reforms to deal with than the number of years Russian is taught, especially in terms of corruption and cheating that pervades Moldovan culture as early as first grade.

Ionas: As a person who has published a great deal in scholarly publications and presented even more papers on Moldova, who has helped the Rutgers-based Citizenship and Service Education program from Moldova funded by the State Department (with $ 300,000), I am also in a good position to comment. I was the person who was the second highest on the “credits list” (in the Romanian language) for people who have advised the Promo-Lex team in the writing of their human rights report for the Norwegian Embassy, one of the “10 independent experts” on Moldova whose opinions were asked for by the German Marshall Fund, etc. As a person who was asked for a paper of mine on Moldovan/Romanian issues by a UN official, as the only U.S. citizen who was met by the Ukrainian NGO delegation to a UN Conference, when I talked to its members about Moldova, etc., I believe that perhaps my views are also worth something. And, by the way, I have taught for five years +, (4 years + at the university level). Yet I fully agree that there are more important reforms than changing the number of years that Russian is taught. In fact, that number should stay the same. And as for the corruption and cheating in Moldovan schools, I have done something concrete about it, and I could give you the text of an interview with me in a U.S. newspaper about my involvement with citizenship and service education (including anti-cheating measures) in Moldova.

In my fairly typical ethnic Moldovan village in a mostly ethnic Moldovan raion (s. Mereseni, r. Hincesti), I have never heard a complaint among students or teachers that they study Russian.

Ionas: And I never claimed otherwise. But you are not responding to my arguments, but to the arguments that you are perhaps expecting from individuals with a “Romanian” identity in Moldova. You are ignoring the fact that I am not the member of this category, but a Romanian-American, even though one of my ancestors comes from the present-day territory of Moldova.

Teachers usually complain that the kids can understand Russian on the TV, but they can't write properly in the Cyrillic alphabet like students did before perestroika. Among students, there is an interesting gender split, with boys tending to like Russian more and girls gravitating toward English, but students study both.

Ionas: You are writing some very interesting things. Even when I am not praising you, you deserve a lot of praise for the interesting information that you are posting, perhaps for the first time in English.

I sense that Moldovan villagers consider Russian a vital language for current and future life in Moldova, whereas they consider English an important language for businesspeople and those wanting to find legal and well-paying work in Europe.

As I wrote out a response to you, I asked the three people who were in my house at the time: my host sister, Diana, a 19-year-old university student; our neighbor, Irina, a 9th-grade student at the local school; and my host mother, Maria, who is 53 and has lived in this raion her entire life. I asked them if they thought Russian should be taught in schools. Diana replied, "Why not? A person develops more mental capacity if he knows more languages, whether it's Russian or English or anything else." Irina agreed with Diana. Maria said that Russian should be taught "because we have a lot of Russians in Moldova, and you have to be able to understand them. If they ask you something, you need to be able to answer, and the other way around." I realize that this is not a scientific survey, but it's indicative of what I've heard in my time living in this country.

Ionas: Other Peace Corps participants have met people with somewhat different opinions. Should I put you in contact with one of them who has recently gotten her Ph.D.? On a different note, I sense that the European Union is not a reference point for you as much as it is for me, or for most inhabitants of Moldova.

Your data saying that Moldovans are against mandatory education in Russian might be accurate (although I must repeat, your data points of 1992 and 2001 were taken at very linguistically tense times in Moldova and therefore might be far above the results you'd notice at a calmer time like now).

Ionas: Most Moldovan citizens were and are against the extending of the mandatory teaching of Russian beyond the current number of years in which it is taught as a mandatory subject. More than a third of the individuals, almost 40% if I remember correctly, desired even the elimination of the teaching of Russian in the Romanian-language schools from the fifth to the ninth grade. The imposition of the mandatory teaching of Russian from the second grade to the last period of high school in Moldovan/Romanian language schools, which would be a return to Soviet-era patterns, would only swell their ranks.

But I don't know that I've ever met a Moldovan who told me he or she was against learning Russian as a second language.

Ionas: As a fifth grade student in a middle school in Ceausescu’s Communist Romania, and more precisely in Iasi, the historical capital of Moldova, we were supposed to study Russian as a foreign language. We and the parents made some noise, and got a chance to study English instead. Do you think that we did the wrong thing? Of course, after the next disciplinary problem with a somewhat political character, this time in the sixth grade, the boys in the class were forced to go and have our heads shaven. The mischief on the issue of the Russian language was perhaps remembered.

Many are against having to speak Russian at a store, but that doesn't extend to not wanting to study it as a language.

Ionas: I myself use alta vista to translate texts from Russian.
Just what do you mean by "mandatory education in Russian," anyway?

Ionas: I am not sure to what passage you are referring to, but I think that I was referring to the mandatory teaching of Russian from the second to the eleventh grade.

If you actually mean having Moldovans be forced into schools where all subjects are taught in Russian instead of Romanian-speaking schools, then you are grossly misrepresenting statistical results.

Ionas: I did not state that.

In my 15 months of living in Moldova, I have never heard of learning Russian as a second language as a major cultural or political issue.

Ionas: The issue is the forced imposition of Russian as an official language, which I oppose, or increasing the status of Russian above the current one, and returning to the number of years of study of Russian in Moldovan/Romanian-language schools that was characteristic of the Soviet period.

When were you last in Moldova, Mr. Rus?

Ionas: Sometime before you went there. You have a legitimate point here, but Charles King also did not go to Moldova for a number of years.

You say that you are now an American citizen and you are originally from Romania, but what contact have you had with the multi-ethnic people of Bessarabia?

Ionas: Let’s see, visiting Moldova, communicating with people of various ethnicities (a few days ago, an ethnic Russian student from Moldova asked me for my opinions on a number of issues for her MA Thesis at Soros' university in Poland), ancestry, and not merely from among ethnic Romanians (and yes, they thought of themselves as ethnic “Romanians”, not "Moldovans"). I should also mention some Bessarabian Jewish relatives of the Bessarabian Jewish wife of my grandfather’s cousin, etc., who died in the Holocaust.

I don't want this to sound hostile, but it's an important question.

Ionas: I should also add that in the case of a person with a last name of "Rus", which means "Russian" in Romanian, there are some jokes related to the name. And since you did not ask me about my ancestry, I will tell you that one of my great-grandfathers was mostly Greek, and another half-Ruthenian/Ukrainian, or, as he would have put it, "Russian".

I and hundreds of other Peace Corps volunteers have lived in Bessarabia over the past 13 years. I have very rarely heard a volunteer complain about the fact that Moldovans are learning Russian as a second language.

Ionas: Would you like to read the paper of a former Peace Corps volunteer who is not pleased about the imposition of the Russian language "from above" by the Communists ?

I have had positive experiences with many Moldovans who prefer speaking Russian rather than Romanian,

Ionas: So have I, but not because of their language patterns. By bringing one who was studying at Rutgers as a translator for the Citizenship and Service Education program, I even helped him make a few extra bucks and go with the group to our nation's capital, Washington, D.C.

and because of those experiences, my opinion has moved toward the center.

Ionas: They have not had the same effect on me, largely because most of them, like Ion, agreed with me on this issue. Yet there is also another issue which some English-speaking Westerners in Moldova don't engage: English was taught in Russian-language schools during the Soviet period, while French was taught in the Romanian-language ones. As a result, they are more likely to be more comfortable with those who attended the Russian-language schools, and therefore speak English better, among the older generation.

I think that any Moldovan who knows only one of the two dominant languages in his or her country is a fool who is both diminishing his or her own career possibilities and being culturally insensitive to other citizens.

Ionas: If I wanted to attack you for using Moldovan alternatively as a citizenship or ethnic identity group, I could have, but I know that both of us have to type so fast that we can’t always do our best. However, it is a fact that most ethnic Moldovans/Romanians know Russian, whereas most members of the national minorities, except for most ethnic Roma and most ethnic Poles, do not know Moldovan/Romanian. Do I agree with you that it would be beneficial for the society if everyone would know a bit of both languages ? Yes, but I do not think that if an ethnic Moldovan/Romanian does not know Russian, he is insensitive to other citizens, unless he or she lives in Gagauzia or Transnistria.

If Romanian-speaking students don't learn Russian as a second language in schools, where will they ever learn it?

Ionas: They learn it from the movie theaters, which are mostly in Russian, from video games, from the mostly Russian-language press, and, if they live in cities, from the street. One of the problems with Russian-speakers is that, even though they know Romanian, they do not wish to speak it. The Citizenship and Service Education program has had to pay for extra translators who wanted to communicate only in Russian in order to accommodate them. And U.S. taxpayers are paying for this.

Your writing belies a desire to get rid of Russian influence in Moldova,

Ionas: I do not wish to get rid of Russian artistic, etc., influences from Moldova. I am getting along just fine with Russian-Americans, especially with those from “white” backgrounds.

and while I would welcome a Moldova without Putin's influence, I also realize that this is impossible for the time being.

Ionas: A Moldova with slightly more influence from Putin, but with someone from the old Democratic Moldova Bloc as president instead of Voronin would have been the lesser of several evils, and would have met the democracy requirements of the Council of Europe and of the EU sooner.

Both Vladimir Voronin's Party of Communists and Iurie Rosca's CDPP are committed toward the west, the European Union, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Ionas: The Moldovan Communists have quarreled with Russia because Mr. Putin was behaving too much like a Tsar and too little like a Commissar (a Communist one, of course). The fact that they placed Lenin on the pedestal of some new statues, and the new statues or memorials of the soldiers in the war of aggression in Afghanistan, etc., in several localities in 2005-2006 indicates a certain preference at the symbolic level for values other than the European ones. And the Communists don’t want to join NATO.

Moldova is trying to move past its dependency on Russia for economic reasons,

Ionas: Which is a good thing, based on the interests of the Moldovan state.

while at the same time it is trying to balance the rights of Romanian and Russian speakers inside its own borders.

Ionas: And, by following the letter of the April 24, 2002 Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe resolution, but by violating its spirit in favor of Russian because old Soviet-era habits die hard, it is doing a better job than if it would have followed your advice.

The OSCE is not needed in the current Russian/Romanian political discussion, as linguistic middle ground will only be found after the pendulum swings back and forth between Russian and Romanian a few more times.

Ionas: The OSCE was instrumental in promoting freedom of expression, including during the 2002 demonstrations against the mandatory teaching of Russian from the second to the eleventh grade in Romanian-language schools, and in monitoring elections.
If, because I had to write this very fast, I was too tough on you in my rhetoric, I apologize. I also apologize for not having the time to give you links for everything, but I think that my references to the www.ipp.md website could help you find the data.

All the best,

Ionas

7:10 PM

 
At 2:25 AM, Anonymous Ionas Aurelian Rus said...

Peter,

If you and other Peace Corps volunteers wish to help Moldova, something that you could do would be to write letters to your local members of Congress or to call his or her office. You could suggest that Moldova should be given the Permanent Most Favored Nation Clause. It currently has only the Temporary Most Favored Nation Clause. Both the Permanent and the Temporary Most Favored Nation Clause imply lower tariffs for Moldovan goods that enter the United States. (In fact, the tariffs are equally low for both types of Clauses.) However, the Permanent Most Favored Nation Clause is to some extent a certificate of respectability for a country. The Permanent Most Favored Nation Clause is sometimes also referred to as the permanent waiver of the Jackson-Vanik Amendment. I called my local member of Congress on this issue in December 2005, and, at my suggestion, so did other Romanian-Americans. (I also pushed for it 1999, but I stopped doing that after the Communists came to power until the slow but steady decline of Moldovan democracy under their rule did not stop and start to be slowly reversed in 2005.)
The Peace Corps volunteers in Ukraine played an important role in the awarding of the Permanent Most Favored Nation Clause to Ukraine in March 2006. (Many Ukrainian-Americans, Lithuanian-Americans and Romanian-Americans, including myself, pushed for it too.) The Peace Corps volunteers to Moldova could do the same.
On the other hand, I do not think that suggestions that the status of the Russian language in Moldova should be enhanced are helpful for this goal. They imply, even if their authors do not imply, that Moldova is treating her "Russian-speaking" minorities poorly. One could have some significant complaints about the treatment of the Roma, and, to a lesser extent, of those inhabitants with a "Romanian" as opposed to a "Moldovan" ethnic identity. However, many self-styled Romanian-Americans are pushing for the Permanent Clause.
As you probably know, Moldovan diplomats focus more on Transnistria than on EU integration. Besides, the diplomats have their jobs because of their obedience toward those in power, because they are someone's relative, etc., and are not the most hard-working or competent people. So the issue of the Permanent Most Favored Nation Clause has been ignored. Moreover, even among those Romanian-Americans who have done something on this issue, words are chosen carefully. It is hoped that their letters on this issue will not appear in the Communist or Communist-controlled press in Moldova in order to be used for partisan purposes by the ruling party.

All the best,

Ionas

 
At 10:30 AM, Blogger Peter Myers said...

Ionas-

I admit that I don't know much about the politics of 2002, and since you say your petition was written in 2002 and responded to the politics of that time, I have to defer to you. I stick by my assertions, however, that the Moldovans I know are not opposed to learning Russian in schools and that it is important both for individuals and for the unity of the country for every Moldovan to know both Romanian and Russian.

About Most Favored Nation status. Is there a way to distinguish between Most Favored Nation status for the Chisinau government and for the Tiraspol government? I also think that U.S. politicians aren't too energetic about giving favored trade status to Moldova because, realistically, what can Moldova export to America? Wine that's too sweet for American tastes and apples that aren't big enough for American markets? I love the stuff here, but I don't know that I'll miss Moldovan products when I return to America. America is more interested in the cheap manufactured products from Transnistria.

Thanks for your comments, and please keep reading. I don't always talk about such controversial politics.

- Peter

 
At 11:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Peter,

I agree with what you wrote. I will only point out that the text of the August 31, 1989 law notes that public employees, store employees, etc., should know both languages. Moldovan/Romanian was declared the official language and both Moldovan and Russian were declared languages of interethnic communication. This was a good idea, and it's consistent with what you want.
Yet the idea that an individual should have to learn Russian for more than five years is problemmatic, and inconsistent with U.S. governmental practice. There is a reason why citizenship in the United States could be obtained only after five years. In that time, one could learn enough English to get by. Some people might come up with ideas that the length of time before naturalization should be longer. They might even invoke some European models. Yet people who were born outside the United States, and particularly naturalized Americans, will not like it. Neither are ideas that Russian should be studied longer than five years in Moldovan/Romanian schools going to be popular among both foreign-born American citizens and among native-born Americans who are exposed to an explanation of the five-year naturalization period in this country. I think that I heard about the five-year explanation from the judge who swore me in as a U.S. citizen. I will continue my answer later.

All the best,

Ionas

 
At 12:23 AM, Anonymous Ionas Aurelian Rus said...

Peter,

You have made some very good points about the Permanent Most Favored Nation Clause, Transnistria and related issues. And I will read what you wrote on other issues. Have a nice weekend.

All the best,

Ionas

 
At 2:36 PM, Blogger law-in-moldova said...

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At 1:19 AM, Anonymous Tudor said...

I realize this blog entry is very old and I don't really know if this post will really be worth it, but I just can't help it.

Although your account of recent history is quite accurate, I don't completely agree to your interpretation. I am Romanian, and my point of view is biased, but my information isn't. Your problem is that you stop your history as recently as 1812. 177 years is very little in European terms. Before the Turks handed over today's Moldova to the Russians, all that territory, except Transdnistria, had been part of the Autonomous Principality of Moldavia. This principality was not formally a part of the Ottoman Empire. It was an autonomous vassal, merely paying tribute in return for peace, and therefore the Ottomans had no right to hand any part of it over to the Russians. In terms of international law, what happened then was an abuse and an illegality. The Tzar had won the war, of course, and no one could argue against it, but it was still illegal. At that time, neither the Russian minority nor any of the others were really significant. Now Romania, as formed through the union between Moldavia and Wallachia is the legal successor to those political entities. That's what Romanian claim to Bessarabia is legally and historically based on. I know the individual
Russians and their ancestors are not guilty for being the pawns of their own expansionist government. I would definetely not want them to be persecuted in retaliation, but as long as we will remember our history our claim will hold. And if the Irish can't let go over a fight with England which has raged on and off for more than 800 years, and the Jews can claim Israel back after 2000 years, I don't see why we should let go in favour of our Slavic neighbours. Frankly, I accept the Moldovans' right to decide for themselves whether they would like to stay independent, or rather integrate into one of their more substantial neighbours, but I would surely love to see the Blue Yellow and Red with the Byzantine Eagle fly over Chisinau once more.

Anyway, through my post I do not intend to accuse you of ignorance and/or bias. I actually think your insight is remarkable for a foreigner. But I think it's important to point out that the bad blood between us and the Russians goes far behind 1812, directly to Hmelnitsky's Cossacks and their raids in the 17th century and to the battle of Stanilesti in 1711.

 
At 9:00 PM, Anonymous Ion said...

Dear Peter Myers,

I still have no idea who gives the russians the RIGHT to ask for the russian language to be recognized as official language. Most of them have been thrown over here after the 1950's, and all of a sudden they have the right to impose their will over the will of the native Romanian nation.

Furthermore, I don't know who gives YOU the right to make such stupid affirmations, only after 1 or 2 years spent here?

How do you suppose you are qualified to make such statements?

This is the main trait of narrow-minded americans. They have NO CLUE what's going on, but still they LOVE letting other people what their opinion is.

Mr. PEACE Corps volunteer, please be what you're supposed to be. BELIVE ME, Charles King wasn't that qualified either to make his statements, OR write a book called 'The Moldovans'.

Some of your articles did make me a little angry, and I am sure I will not check this page anymore. Should you have some questions, you can contact me through my email: ioncpt18@yahoo.com

 

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